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List of 29 players eligible for the Giants' Practice Squad

Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:05 pm
Let me state the following first:

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August 31, 2013 - Beginning at 12:00 p.m., New York time, clubs may establish a Practice Squad of eight players by signing free agents who do not have an Accrued Season of free agency credit or who were on the 46-player Active List for less than nine regular season games during each of any Accrued Seasons. A player cannot serve on the Practice Squad for more than three seasons.


Source: 2013-2014 NFL Calendar

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Read about Practice Squad Eligibility here:
Practice Squad Rules: Who’s Eligible? - by Brian McFarland | Posted on August 31, 2012

Click here to learn about how the NFL's Waiver system works too, in case you're unaware or want a refresher:
How Does the NFL’s Waiver System Work? - by Brian McFarland | Posted on August 23, 2013

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The 29 players currently on the Giants' 90-man roster who are eligible for the Practice Squad are as follows below:

•NOTE: The 7 2013 draft choices appear first in the list.




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•It's obvious that Pugh, Hankins, Moore, Nassib, & most likely Taylor aren't candidates for the P.S. considering their raft status, so you can eliminate those 5.
•At this point, the same probably can be said about 7th round pick (next to last in the entire draft) Michael Cox, considering what he's shown thus far in training camp and preseason.
•The only draft pick that probably won't get picked off of the waiver wire, if he's let go by the Giants come the final cut-down date in 6 days is OG and 7th round pick Eric Herman.


•This leaves 22 or 23 players, who if placed on waivers, will most likely not get picked up, with the lone exception being TE Larry Donnell.
•A scenario could easily unfold in which Donnell is claimed by another team off of waivers.
•Players clear waivers at 12 pm NY time next Sunday, September 1st, after being waived at 6 pm the previous day.


•If teams don't put in claims for a given player off of waivers, then he is considered a free agent at that point who is free to sign with the team of his choice (Practice Squad or 53-man roster).
•Remember that players claimed off of waivers during this 18 hour feeding frenzy next weekend must be added to the claiming team's active 53-man roster.
•Things will be fluid with respect to the bottom of team rosters until Monday on account of all the action going on around the league.


•This should help to clear up misconceptions about the subject.
•I wrote about this on Giants Salary Cap blog 2 days ago. Read it if you like in the link below.
•It has more details and other link for certain players to check out and read up on further.


As the Giants' roster stands now, 29 players are eligible for the Practice Squad - Friday, August 23, 2013 - ( New Window )
This should help clear up speculation by many posters regarding who is  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:07 pm : link
or isn't eligible for the Practice Squad.
Very Helpful, thanks  
Big Blue '56 : 8/25/2013 12:10 pm : link
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A scenario could easily unfold in which Donnell is claimed by another team off of waivers


You mean Belichick! Say it, damn it! ;)
Thanks....  
rptl530 : 8/25/2013 12:11 pm : link
Optimus.
BB56 - You know me too well  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:13 pm : link
You basically read my mind, lol.
i agree patriots would likely pick him up  
CGiants07 : 8/25/2013 12:21 pm : link
so I would just cut bait with Pascoe as donnell seems like he blocks as well as Pascoe and has gotten some work at fb during camp in case the hynocerous is limited
Minor corrections/adidtions  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:23 pm : link
•WR Brandon Collins spent some time on the P.S. last year.
•CB Terrence Frederick was on the Giants' PS last year too before being added to the 53-man roster for the last 2 games of the season last year.
I'd like to find a way to keep Donnell on the team, or deal him for  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:25 pm : link
something useful, like a 4th RB to take Da'Rel Scott's place. There are going to be some hard decisions to make in the upcoming few days.
Optimus,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/25/2013 12:28 pm : link
what do they have to be down to by the Pats' game, roster-wise?
Great  
zaknim : 8/25/2013 12:33 pm : link
post Optimus. Don't post often but all the work you do on the "business" side of things is great.
BB'56  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:34 pm : link
The cut-down to 75 is on Tuesday, August 27th:

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August 27 - Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, clubs must reduce their rosters to a maximum of 75 players on the Active List.


The source is below. Read it to familiarize yourself with all the upcoming important dates. I have it linked to my cap blog.


"2013-2014 NFL Calendar: All The Dates You Need To Know" - by Tim "@battleredblog" on Jun 10 2013, 1:34 - ( New Window )
Trattou  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 12:36 pm : link
is eligible. He was active only in 6 games in 2011, his only accrued season.
Will do,  
Big Blue '56 : 8/25/2013 12:37 pm : link
thanks
Thanks  
Defenderdawg : 8/25/2013 12:37 pm : link
Wonderful work as always
Thanks zaknim  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:40 pm : link
Glad you enjoy it. I follow guys like Andrew Brandt on Twitter to learn about these things. Joel Corry and Jason Fitzgerald are also fantastic. I interact with them a lot, and they always teach me things (I'm basically "Daniel-san" to their Mr. Miyagi).

I suggest anyone who is into the business/cap side of the NFL to follow these guys on Twitter:

@corryjoel - Joel Corry
@Jason_OTC - Jason Fitzgerald (who runs overthecap.com)
@adbrandt - Andrew Brandt
Nygirlie - Trattou was IR'ed last year which I believe count as an  
fredgbrown : 8/25/2013 12:48 pm : link
accrued season.

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In order to be eligible for the Practice Squad, a player must:

Not have an accrued season of NFL service, defined as being on the team’s 53-man roster, PUP or IR for 6 games in any one season, or
nygirlie - I think I said to you on another thread that Trattou is not  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:49 pm : link
PS eligible. 6 games on the active 53-man roster for a player means that he has an accrued season.

See here: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TratJu00.htm

read the article about P.S. eligibility that I posted above. This excerpt here from point #1 invalidates your claim:

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In order to be eligible for the Practice Squad, a player must:

1. Not have an accrued season of NFL service, defined as being on the team’s 53-man roster, PUP or IR for 6 games in any one season, or

2. Not been on a team’s 45-man game day active roster for more than 8 games during that one accrued season.

3. A player can serve 2 years on the Practice Squad and is eligible for a 3rd, if the team carries a full 53-man roster during the time the player is serving on the PS.

Source: Practice Squad Rules: Who’s Eligible? - by Brian McFarland | Posted on August 31, 2012
nyfirlie - I told you this on anothe thread, and with all due respect  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:51 pm : link
if you're going to say something, then please read the article I took the time to post that explains P.S. eligibility. If you did, then you'd have your answer.
Optimus  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 12:51 pm : link
Yes, Trattou meets criterion 2.

The key word is ***or***
Sorry Optimus.... beat you to it :)  
fredgbrown : 8/25/2013 12:52 pm : link
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fredgebrown  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 12:54 pm : link
Yes, but in his second accrued season on IR he was not active for 8 or more games in 2012.

Nor in his first accrued season in 2011.

Hence he is eligible for the PS.
Trattou spent the entire 2012 season on IR  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 12:57 pm : link
You're misunderstanding the rule.
fridgebrown and Optimus  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 12:58 pm : link
Oh, I get it. Legalese.

He has 2 accrued seasons and you are only allowed one at best.

my bad.
I'm glad you're making your point  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 1:00 pm : link
It may very well be right, now that you're getting into the nitty-gritty of it. I'm just glad you're citing your sources, that's all. He actually only has one accrued season.
Optimus  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 1:01 pm : link
So the quote you started with is incorrect? My caps...

"August 31, 2013 - Beginning at 12:00 p.m., New York time, clubs may establish a Practice Squad of eight players by signing free agents who do not have an Accrued Season of free agency credit or who were on the 46-player Active List for less than nine regular season games during each of any Accrued SEASONS. A player cannot serve on the Practice Squad for more than three Sasons."

So you mean SEASONS is wrong and should read SEASON?
I cut and pasted it  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 1:07 pm : link
It should read as it is. I'm gonna ask Pattie about this. It's a good debate.
Optimus  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 1:07 pm : link
He has two accrued seasons since IR in 2012 counts as an accrued season as well as his 6 active games in 2011.

The question is whether for PS eligibility you are allowed any number of accrued seasons provided in each one you were active for less than 8 games.

If so, then Trattou is eligible.

If you are allowed only one accrued season of less than 8 Active games then he is not eleigible, since he has two.
nygirlie - that's the question then  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 1:09 pm : link
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Optimus  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 1:10 pm : link
If your quote is correct the Trattou is eligible.
the = then  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 1:10 pm : link
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I tweeted Pattie to make sure  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 1:15 pm : link
She wrote a great article about this, and mentioned a couple of players by name (Ojomo and Mosley). Click here to read it:

A Review of Roster Designations & Eligibilities - Posted by Patricia Traina | 07/22/2013

*just scroll down to the Practice Squad section


I just wanna run this by her first to make doubly sure.
Thanks for  
Modzelewski : 8/25/2013 1:24 pm : link
Clearing this up! Great post.
You're welcome Modzewlewski  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 1:32 pm : link
Trattou is the only guy we need to clear up still. Gotta nail his status down one way or the other.
Let me at least clear this up.  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 2:06 pm : link
Trattou only has one accrued season. This is reflected in his salary, which also happens to be his cap number ($480,000).

See here: Giants' 2013 contractual breakdown and 2013 cap numbers


Here is the minimum salary chart:



Source: 2011-2014 NFL Minimum Base Salaries - Posted on 23 July 2011 by Dave Bryan (www.steelersdepot.com)
Optimus  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 5:35 pm : link
Ojomo is also eligible (as well as Trattou).

Ojomo has one accrued season in 2012 and was inactive almost every game...definitely less than 8.
8 = 9  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 5:37 pm : link
allowed 8 active games per accrued season to be PS eligible.
I am not sure of why Trattou or Ojomo would be eligible for the  
fredgbrown : 8/25/2013 5:56 pm : link
practice squad if they both have one accrued season.
fredge  
nygirlie : 8/25/2013 7:22 pm : link
eligible..."or who were on the 46-player Active List for less than nine regular season games during each of any Accrued Seasons"
nygirlie - Ojomo is not eligible  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 7:23 pm : link
Pattie made that clear in the article she wrote above that I linked.
I linked to it in my 1:15 pm post  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 7:25 pm : link
see below. Scroll down to the Practice Squad section in the article to see. She mentions Ojomo by name, and uses him and Brandon Mosley as examples. On a sidenote, Mosely's case is why I think Trattou is not Practice Squad Eligible btw.


A Review of Roster Designations & Eligibilities - by Patricia Traina | July 22, 2013 - ( New Window )
Optimus  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 8/25/2013 7:29 pm : link
you're doing swell work. Swell indeed. Let me know if you ever need a medical opinion on anything.
Optimus: Specific question...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/25/2013 8:32 pm : link
If Brandon Mosley is ineligible for the practice squad, how did Adrian Tracy spend the 2011 season in the practice squad after being IR'd as a rookie?
lol LT56  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 8:41 pm : link
I could use some Pain killers (don't tell Brett Favor though).
By the way, practice squad eligibility is a rare area...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/25/2013 8:44 pm : link
...where I think Patti is slightly off-target. As her article states, she focuses exclusively on whether a player has an accrued season under his belt.
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A player is eligible for the practice squad if he doesn’t have an accrued season of experience under his belt.

That statement is absolutely true, and it describes the vast majority of PS-eligible players. However, Patti doesn't mention the other path to practice squad eligibility: Your other source notes that a player with exactly one accrued season can still be PS-eligible if he dressed for fewer than nine games in his one credited year. That's why Patti and I disagree about Ojomo and Mosley. I say they are in. She says they are out. It won't matter for Mosley, but it might matter for Ojomo.
Big Blue blogger - that's a damned good question  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 8:45 pm : link
I'm gonna ask Pattie. I think you have a point in this case regarding Mosley being eligible for the Practice Squad, unless the numbers for Tract are off.
BBB - You make a good point, and so does nygirlie  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 8:47 pm : link
Trattou is even more of a head scratcher to me than Mosley and Ojomo are.
Trattou differs from Tracy or Mosley...  
Big Blue Blogger : 8/25/2013 9:00 pm : link
...because he earned a credited season in 2011, then spent 2012 on IR. He was PS-eligible in 2012 because he had only dressed six times in his one accrued season. But I think the additional year on IR disqualifies him for 2013.
nygirlie made some great points regarding the language and so do you  
Optimus-NY : 8/25/2013 9:25 pm : link
BBB. Trattou makes me go back and forth, but what you said makes sense. Here's what we've got now after today's cut-down to 75:

1 - Justin Pugh - OT/OG
2 - Johnathan Hankins - DT
3 - Damontre Moore - DE
4 - Ryan Nassib - QB
5 - Cooper Taylor - S
6 - Eric Herman - OG
7 - Michael Cox - RB
8 - Matt Broha - DE
9 - Bryant Browning - OG
10 - Larry Donnell - TE
11 - Terrence Frederick - CB
12 - Stephen Goodin - OG
13 - Kevin Hardy - WR
14 - Marcus Harris - WR
15 - Matt McCants - OT
16 - Julian Talley - WR
17 - Charles James - CB



The ones we're debating now are Trattou, Ojomo, and Mosley.
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